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Trial set for woman accused of killing infant sonJul 4 2007 9:42AM
Associated Press Thirty-four-year-old Dana Deegan faces charges of first-degree murder and false statements. Her attorney, Bill Schmidt, entered pleas of not guilty for Deegan last month. Deegan is accused of leaving the boy, her fourth child, alone without food or water for two weeks because she was unable to care for him. The boy is believed to have been younger than two weeks old at the time of death. A suitcase containing the body of the infant was foUND in 1999 by a rancher along state Highway 22, north of Mandaree. Deegan was arrested in mid-May, and indicted by a grand jury in early June. (Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) APNP 07-04-07 0935CDT | 
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Fort Berthold
i am SO TIRED of seeing WOMEN held up as examples in the pillory
as though MEN have had nothing to do with it.
what this woman apparently did was wrong,
but worse WRONG are all these men who play deaf and dumb and stupid when the baby comes!!!!
I just can't believe she put in a 'not guilty' statement. She already admitted to it, what, is she trying to back peddle now? I hope our courts and law punish her to the highest extent! That woman is a monster!
why is there only one voice on this comment line who dares to bring up the subject of the "men" and their responsibility?
maybe "she couldn't take it anymore" and fritzed right out.
it does a GRAVE DISSERVICE to women for the older women to think it is something to be proud of to "take it" because the men are dishing out abuse. these gnarly old ,proud women who think "we took it, so you can too...." like it is a monument of pride for their "endurance" rather than their thinking about resisting the evil that they have been subjected too, are WRONG.
it makes more sense to SPEAK THE TRUTH and say "this is wrong" and get some help. alos when a woman ASKS for help or is OBVIOUSLY in need of HELP....for the powers that be to sit by and do nothing is a crime in istself.
i ask again: where is the sperm donor?
he should be sitting in the hot seat in the court right along side her.
Posted by Tribal member on Jul 5 2007 12:26PM - You are so right The reservation has high rates of domestic violence and alcoholism. If every woman on Fort Berthold who is beaten, cheated on and left to fend for herself and her children had thoughts and actions like Deegan, there would be many dead babies laying around the prairies....Its called torture and cruelty."
me again: i was VERY GRATEFUL to YOU for speaking up! God bless you!
the "old gray haired women" i was referring to are those nincompoops in the legislature from grand forks and fargo who pushed through that nonsence that took the guts out of the
NO-SHACK UP law. THEY have done a grave disservice to the young women, and men of the next generations. (its embarrassing that the men in the legislature were dumb enough to listen to them and follow them. sad.)
if the NO-SHACK UP law got drug out, dusted off and enforced....1/2 of social services would be shut down. kids would HAVE the good old DADS
and the juvey courts would have more vacation time....etc.
if all the MEN who left babies around the neighborhood to fend for themselves were LOCKED up, society for everyone would be oh so much better. men have gone off for weeks and years at a time and left these women and children to fend for themselves for decades.
how many kids die from lack of medical care because the "sperm donor" is off playing golf....duh, he don't even know his baby is dying thta day....
nobody "holds a gun to the head" of these men who produce these babies and leave them. Dana may be another "andrea yates". post partum and all that....what she did is evil. no doubt. she may be psychopath? i have no clue, or she may have been so exhausted she just couldn't hold on to the rope keeping that baby afloat in the river any longer and just let go. was she so isolated nobody else even knew she was pregnant? HOW could that baby be "missing" and nobody else knew? more questions need to be asked.
if MEN were held accountable, these women who have been making the news lately would likely NEVER have done what they did.
North Dakota resident, when you say: "It doesn't matter about the sperm donor!" you really scare me. how would you know if she wanted to get pregnant? were you there?
didn't HE KNOW he couldn't afford another baby too?
did he know he wasn't going to be responsible for the mother and the baby?
didn't HE have 9 months to think about what HE was going to do for the mother and baby?
why didn't HE look into adoption or something rather than leave this mother, as so COMMONLY happens to so MANY women,....leave this mother with 4 kids and feeling hopeless?
people who cover for sperm donors are a HUGE part of THE PROBLEM!
if this woman is guilty of letting her baby die, she has done wrong.
BUT, like in the garden of Eden, God went right passed the woman and said: "ADAM!"....He had a little talk with ADAM and put the responsibility for that mess right on ADAM, the MAN.
Just Saying, you scare me.
as mothers who have delivered babies know.
to Adam: "the sweat of they brow" (work their heads off)
to Eve: "pain in child bearing,
and your desire with be toward
the man"....something like that it says.
9. They talk like they are experiencing heaven and act as if the world belongs to them.
10. So people praise them and no one finds fault with them.
11. They say, "God doesn't know what we're doing, otherwise, He would stop us. Maybe there is no God."
13. So why should I wash my hands in innocence and keep myself pure?14.I struggle with these thoughts daily.....15. I need to talk to you about it and not pass it on to future generations.....it only gets more complex." Clear Word 1-800-765-6955
www.adventistbookcenter.com (i am not an adventist, but do like that book! don't want to embarrass the adventist people by how blunt i am!)
sometimes "sperm donors" have money or act like they have money and make all sorts of lying promises...."of course i will take care of you and the kids...." splat!
i don't know if this woman was married or not....
but modern North Dakota culture being what it is,at least in THIS area, it is VERY common for women to get knocked up,
"get her papers" and go to the Social Services for bailing the sperm donor out. he is off, catting around in some other neighborhood, or discustingly, catting around again in the very same neighborhood....and some other young girl, "gets her papers", and Social Services bails this sperm donor out AGAIN! all the babies i know about in this area....have sperm donors and S.S. support i think. what a way to begin life just out of high school. or did they even graduate? where is the "statutory rape" law? why don't the men in office enforce it!? because THEIR SON maybe guilty.
sperm donor needs to get the choice, "sit in that cheap appartment with struggling little mama,(no more parties for him either), or YOU sit in the JAIL!" and no food! unless they grow it in the jail yard garden, can it and freeze it themselves....if they want a hamberger, they can, grow it, and butcher a steer, and cook it themselves. THIS is basically the situation they put little ding dong mama into, isn't it?
8. "....Proudly they lay plans to take advantage of others. 10. So people praise them and no one finds fault with them."....
people that do not want to take on the sperm donor and hold HIM accountable, blame it all on the woman=" it's all the woman's fault!." but oh NO! it is not.
this woman may have neglected her baby
but the sperm donor neglected the MOTHER and the BABY!
a man on t.v. report has TWELVE kids....compliments of the county....and he is not taking care of ANY of them from what i gathered. this was in California apparently. so what else is new?
when a woman bounces a check for $12.74, maybe she was buying a cheap pair of shoes for her kid, her name goes in the court records and newspaper....oh you bad woman....
But what newspapers REALLY NEED to do is add up the monthly collection of sperm donors who have run off and left little mama and child
at the door step of the S.S. office to fend for themselves.
now THAT would be "NEWS".
In the end, I hope she is left alone, uncared for, unloved.
how many days do you think the COURTS should dally before "deadbeat" gets his?
when it becomes "generally accepted" that the FATHERS are number one in responsibility for mothers and babies will this lopsided society probably right its self again?
how long until the news reports publish the name of the father/sperm donor the same number of times it prints the mothers name when ever these horrid cases happen?
right along side any mother who leaves her baby uncared for?
if every sperm donor got a life sentence for leaving the FIRST baby on the door step uncared for....his 5th and 6th and 12th
would never happen.
Because it takes 2. Someone had unprotected sex with her and then skipped town without even looking at her a second time, to see if she might have a hump. In the world I live in that is not how women should be treated under any circumsances. No matter if she is a ho or not.
WHO left her alone "in charge"?
Just because it is very common to blame the woman and excuse the man, why is it "pointless" to bring up that problem?
Do you have a son who may have pulled a stunt like this?
or did a brother leave a kid around the community?
HOW could you EVER get the convoluted notion that i ever thought anyone "had a right" to kill a baby?
Do you think i am HORRIFIED at your assumption?
Is it "irrational" for you to jump to such a conclusion?
How many people out in readersville really think I am an "idiot"?
If Dana Deegan, who i have never met and really know little about, really had "supporters" BEFORE this happened, would we probably have ever heard about her in this unfortunate news?
How many times does it need to be said that FATHERS have responsibility from the get go?
College Student, don't you think holding FATHERs responsible IS one way to follow your excellent suggestion to "focus more on PREVENTING somethiing like this (from) happening again" anywhere?
College Student, you mean well, and want to live in a peaceful world too, but puting our heads in the sand, or covering up, or tsk tsk, shh shh, not discussing something, does not help solve the problem. Right?
How many young men are suspect, because the one nasty who commits rapes on the college campus is not held accountable and the women are too afraid to speak up and the law does not deal with the pervert perp?
if all "sperm donors" from age 12 and up were held accountable for their letcherous ways, maybe 4/5th of these devastating problems would be cleared up, BEFORE they ever happened. in this day of DNA testing this would be a simple solution.
no more of this: "Stud" gets on with getting his master's degree, but the little mama drops out and goes on welfare then BATTLES her way back up the socail ladder with junior holding on to her skirts too". (rape at a college party)
"what is good for the goose is good for the gander" doesn't mean that all the BLAME naturally falls on the woman, does it?
how would you know if someone were raped or seduced or if she is an out and out alley cat herself? the trial hasn't come up and questions are just beginning to be asked, right? can we be confident that the trial people will even ASK the questions of the bigger picture? will the trial people just skim over the surface and only look at the obvious?
is the woman more of "an adult" than the man is?
do we expect the woman to do all the steps and "dance backwards in high heels" besides?
why do you think asking questions about men's responsibility equates with "excusing" what the woman might have done?
if a "man" runs off and leaves a women with ALL this responsibility by herself, why would anyone assume he could be innocent in this matter?
do you think your apparently being taught that women "have the abilites to care for ourselves and our young without need of men, etc." might be frightening 1/2 the species that God created too?
that is an extreme form of arrogance and you need to get over it.
who ever taught you that nonsense is a liar and you should not be listening to them.
have you been hurt by some man who should have taken better care of you?
send him my way, and i'll give him what for!
as for me especially as a kid, i can't imagine not having had my DAD!
he was loyal and faithful as a rock! not perffect, but i can't imagine him ever wandering off.
Again, I feel sorry for you. Particularly since you have such a backwards mindset - making statements such as "do you think your apparently being taught that women "have the abilites to care for ourselves and our young without need of men, etc." might be frightening 1/2 the species that God created too?"
It's nonsense to be strong and capable? To own our personal responsibilities?
Again, as I have already stated, TWICE mind you, I do not condone men leaving behind children. However, in this case, Shannon Hale did not know that his common law wife was pregnant with their FOURTH child as has been released by the press and as has been known by local reservation people.
As far as we all know, as far as it's been released, no one knew she was pregnant which is possible if someone is obese which Dana was. When a woman is of a large girth, it can be impossible to detect phyiscal pregnancy.
Of course, this is assuming that Shannon Hale was even the father. I knew Dana. I know what kind of woman she was. And if her common law husband was not the father of this child SHE KILLED, I wouldn't be surprised. I also know Shannon and I know what kind of man he is as did Dana. Neither, in my opinion, are upstanding people, however, Shannon hasn't murdered anyone either, not in a literal sense. DANA DID literally murder her child.
And if you are saying that by osmosis Shannon did kill that child, you're, again, an idiot. Read up on this case, "???", and get your facts straight. You are on a personal crusade it would seem to lower women, make them seem ineffectual and weak and incapable of caring for themselves and their kids. You are saying that if we, as women, have kids, and get left by our men, then anything that happens afterwords is the man's fault and that again, as I've already stated, is stupid. We have to own our personal responsibility irregardless of gender. Someday, I hope you learn this and are able to grow beyond your stunted way of thinking and thought process. Good luck to you and to the possibility of your own personal growth and acknowledgement of personal responsibility.
I had no idea the father was living with her. HE DIDN"T SEE THE BABY? OR HEAR IT CRY? What the HELL!!!!!!!!
why do you seem to read things into what i say and shut the door down tight on giving thought to the big picture on these horrible domestic situations?
have i even yet given thought as to WHY she may have done this? i don't know what happened or why. haven't a clue until questions are asked and hopefully truthfully answered. right?
have i tried to get people to see the bigger picture of a modern american culture that has really gone very bad by allowing men to slide on by and not take responsibility?
i think some of the cruelest and most harsh critics of other women are the women who really flatter themselves to be so "strong and capable".
if the man in this case may not have known the woman was pregnant, did the woman herself know she was pregnant?
if she were an obese woman it is not impossible for her to have been pregnant and not known it until delivery. did she go into psychological shock?
doesn't "personal responsibility and strength despite gender" apply to men too?
why do you twist what i say into me being "on a personal crusade it would seem to to lower women, make them seem ineffectual and weak and incapable..." when what i am really trying to do is the opposite, by trying to insist the MEN not be weak and to be capable and responsible?
women can't say men are worthless, and men can't say women are worthless. and by all means if people feel this way THEY should NEVER have children. that sets a child up for feeling worthless or feeling the other half of the species is worthless which is very serious pride in a very bad, unhealthy way.
North Dakota should be first in line to drag out the old SHACK-UP
law and enforce it. like was stated before those old gray haired women of Fargo and Grand Forks did a bad thing to put a blight on that old law. no matter if its donald trump shacking up for 5 years before he finally gets married, or if it is the town drunk....all the same difference. bad news for the culture.
Second - I am basing everything I've said regarding the articles that have been released.
Third - I have no sympathy regarding a woman OR man for that matter, who would kill a child. None. I am not a murder-sympathizer such as yourself.
Fourth - You twist your own words around so many times, that I don't think you know what you are saying. Your contridictions are immense and laughable.
Fifth - If am cruel and harsh as a strong woman because I feel it is wrong, WRONG what Dana Deegan did, then I will wear that Critical Mantel with pride. What she did was wrong and I have abhorr anyone who chooses to murder the lives of children.
Where is your stance for the baby? You'd rather accuse and blame the man then the woman who ADMITTED to the murder herself.
Reread the articles. It's simple, really. Click on her name and read before you spout nonsense and assumptions. I am done dealing with your ignorance, however, you can keep typing to me as I am sure you will. Just don't expect me to waste any more of my time. Just as much as I abhorr murder, I also abhorr ignorance, especially when there is so much information out there to educate one's self.
what nonsense. but it seems that society really needs to take it very serious this nasty business of impregnating women and then running off and leaving her high and dry. some how that woman is supposed to know how to float no matter what.
for the last 1/2 century, and it is getting WORSE and WORSE, men have been given some sort of free pass and people get all agast when some evil thing happens with out really caring to go back and see what may have precipitated the problem. they get out there and chant: "oh that nasty woman!" but they ignore the tougher half of the problem...."Oh that nasty MAN too!"
to have children and not take care of them is a serious EVIL. but men are more to blame then women! next to blame, are women who think they are such hot stuff they would never get into a pickle....and have so compassion for mothers etc. (or like: "i've had it tough so i might as well sit by and watch YOU suffer too...." that is a heartless mean old woman thought process.)
since the days of ADAM, it has been common to blame the woman....Adam even blamed God for having given him that woman...."But Lord, the woman THOU gavest me did...."
and God said, forget that buster....i am dealing with YOU head on!
Eve messed up. but God dealt straight on with ADAM first....then back to Eve. you can read in Genesis at the very beginning of the Bible.
i have never thought this woman should be "excused" if she let her baby die. something is obviously really wrong there....however i think the state as a whole needs to get its act together and quit
turning a blank look to all this "shacking-up" and get out the parson and the pen and paper and make some serious LEGAL arrangements, like it is called "marriage". guys who think they should get all the "rights" of marriage without the "responsibilities" of marriage need to get shipped off to Siberia to cool off for a few years....we won't miss any of them guys.
now marriage, that is a novel concept that the little "baby-makers" around here have not managed to remember in recent years. shacking-up is an automatic "out" for men isn't it? some silly nincompoop gets knocked up, and if he has his name on the house....she and the kids are out on the road. he is a LOUT!
the kids might become homeless nincompooplouts.
i don't know anything in particular about Dana and Hale....but the shack-up "life style" is really twisting up society.
i can't imagine why people think SHE is more responsible for that baby's well being than the man is.
had this woman been drinking when this baby disappeared?
people were agast at the thought of abortion....then that evil seeped in....
then some misguided person thinks: what is one more month OUT of the womb different from the last month or two IN the womb....leaving this baby to die is the next step from abortion.
first evil step is abortion
second evil sstep is infanticide. means "killing babies".
people WARNED about that BEFORE the govt. got so lax on allowing abortions....and guess what. here it is....right in North Dakota....allowing a baby to die....like the Shiavo case in Florida....they just "let" that woman die....took her two weeks but she did it. what else could she do?
abortion to infanticide, (killing babies) to euthenasia....just like the old people warned years ago. right here in North Dakota.
they seem to say: "i'm tough as a bull dog, so lady, YOU fight your own battles too! you aint gonna count on ME for nothin' lady!"
its like a pit bull going after a poof poof pet poodle....that pit bull just wants to shred it!
"NO compassion".
those women are often times tougher than men.
they scare me and make me want to run for the hills!
if these women are the jury, it is like "the cat was hung by an all dog jury!"
"NO compassion." before or after
Where in the world is your compassion for the baby THAT WAS MURDERED by it's mother?
Have you heard that women can now go to school? Can vote? Can adopt? Can have jobs? Can stay at home and raise her kids? Can do both simutaniously? Lord, two sides, I feel sorry for you that you fear a woman with strength when you in all reality, you should be giving praise when women, as a gender, had been oppressed for so long throughout the centuries in most cultures.
The baby DID NOT disappear. Read the articles as I have stated SO MANY TIMES. Dana admitted to leaving her baby alone, for two weeks to starve, so that she wouldn't have to care for it. She then returned to find the baby dead as she had expected to, wrapped it in plastic and a towel and then placed it in a suitcase and tossed out into the fields of her brother in law's ranch. READ before you post nonsense. Again with the ignorance! So STUPID! Look at the facts! SHE ADMITTED TO THIS!!!!!!!!!!!! How thick is you skull that it can't absorb any information?! Purposeful ignorance is disgusting when there is much information about this case out there already - right at your fingertips to boot. It's easy, really. Click her name at the top of this articles and read. IT really isn't hard to stick to the facts instead of making assumptions.
No, I can assuredly say that I would not make the same choices as Dana Deegan did, murder included. I am sorry to read that you would.
Many, Whoot.
Use your brain, I am positive you have one.
No. I do know, with who I am, with the soul that I have, if I had been through her situtation, I would not have done what she has done. You are ridiculous to think that everyone would. Again, generalizations, assumptions.
Again, I am so sorry that you would. I am sorry for you that you have a soul capable of murdering your own children.
With everything she has or had gone through, and I can't say that I know, with everything out there informationally, she should and could have learned from it, if she was capable of learning. Some people are not, I realize this, and some people refuse growth. There is evidence of this.
You are apparently someone who does not learn from your mistakes or the mistakes of others that affect you. You must not try, apparently.
I do. Many people do. Which is why many people DO NOT CHOOSE TO MURDER THEIR CHILDREN. Which is why many people WOULD NOT CHOOSE TO MURDER THIER CHILDREN.
Personal growth, Whoot. It's a good thing.
Webster's New Millennium™ Dictionary of English - Cite This Source Main Entry: critical thinking
Part of Speech: n
Definition: the mental process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and evaluating information to reach an answer or conclusion
I agree with you whole heartedly, Pro and it's obvious you are a critical thinker. I have to give you kudos. And I have read the articles, as well as everyones thoughts on this thread. These three you've dealt with are ignorant and it's not worth your time.
And souls are spirit. Do you know what spirit is?
WHO left her alone in charge?
your own information is very helpful: "....she did what she did because she didn't feel she could be financially responsible for another child."
WHY didn't she feel HALE would be responsible and HELP her?
WHY did she feel SHE had to be responsible for everything?
why didn't she feel she could count on the "strong" women of the area to help her? or would they have just shot her blanks and looked their noses down? if she reached out for a hand would they have pulled her up, or just pushed her head UNDER the water?
you are absolutely right that this is a terrible crime.
you really are right to have such strong feelings for that baby too.
it is just that North Dakota has to take a serious look at WHY people get into these kinds of messes in the first place. what can be done to "take a stitch in time" to fix something before it splits completely, or to defuse the bomb from going off in the first place?
one cure would be to pull out the old NO SHACK UP law and USE it.
another cure for mothers in serious stress would to find all the rapists and LOCK THEM UP for the FIRST offence....bye bye for LIFE! they used to just take those guys out and HANG them. how many stress pregnancy's would that solve? how many evil abortions would that prevent?
with DNA testing
if for EVERY underage pregnancy there was some sperm doner sitting in the prison for a serious amount of TIME, how many stress pregnancy's would that solve? UNLESS it were a married couple! where that man has SERIOUS intent "to love,honor.....till death do us part". ditto for the woman.
with DNA testing
if every guy who had one unwed baby had to do 20 years in the prison, would the need for half of social services dry up? rather than getting by with leaving the mother AND the baby hungry, he finds out what it is like to hoe the beets in the prison garden or HE doesn't eat! how many little high school studds would think twice before they did their alley cat number on some little naive,trusting nincompoop at a party if they KNEW in ND they faced 29 years in the pen? how old was Dana when she had her first child?
ALL the babies in this area, with the exception of ONE, that i have heard about in the last few YEARS, are UNWED babies. oh there is one more, she and her married mama AND daddy moved out.
do you wonder why i ask questions?
there is hope for dana too.
Goodness, Whoot. You have some real interesting ideas..
Of course, this is saying that everyone is a christian and believes, literally, your interpretation of the bible, etc.. and of course, this is stating we are all indeed christians and there is no other religious or spiritual beliefs amoung us. Ha!
No, Whoot. I am done with your ignorance, but please, continue quoting your interpretations of christianity and why you feel it's alright what Dana did. I refuse to continue to waste my time with you as has been already advised.
31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
I am saying I believe what he teaches is the right way to walk. And I want to try to base my opinions and beliefs on him.
And I believe in Peace and Love and Mercy and Compassion.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/203124/Three_Dead_Babies_Found_In_Mississippi_River
You will do right for yourself to re-read what you have written. Your expressions do seem to condone Dana's actions. Perhaps you can better clearly state your feelings once you re-read what you have stated and get some rest.
You may want to retract your statements and learn to recognize other beliefs in this world. Not every one believes in Jesus and Christianity. Your rantings regarding Bible verses are not seriously considered as truth to many nor even tolerated. To some even rubbish! It may be good sense to keep your christian remarks to a very low key.
No matter Whoot........to every culture in our Big World, murder is wrong! and the person who commits it is the criminal...whether it is insanity or whatever. Dana Deegan is a BABY KILLER! as I have stated before, no one made her do it, she made that choice.
I do not intend to be disrespectful of your christian beliefs, as in the same vain you need to recognize there are other beliefs.
Pro Life is clearly a strong healthy women who is trying to help people like you to be strong and understand the BIG PICTURE. She seems to see that killing your child is unacceptable and it does not matter whether there is a man in the picture. It will benefit you to really listen to what she is saying
Again........RE-READ.
I AM JUST LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE! Can't you see, we have to?>
2. When a man (and I think men who ditch reponsibility for their children are losers) leaves a pregnant woman or turns his back on his babies, there's still the reasonable expectation the woman will find a way to take care of them.
Women get pregnant, men don't. It's biology. Is it RIGHT to make babies and not help take care of them? No way. But as long as women have the uterus and carry the baby inside them, they have more responsibility. It is what it is.
3. Men can and do kill their babies sometimes. Sometimes, they even kill the mother. A monster is a monster, male or female.
because "women have the uterus and carry the baby"
these problems will persist.
because "women have the uterus and carry the baby"
these problems will persist.
Perfection! She is a torturer and a murderer. There is no other way to explain it. Man or no man in her life , SHE killed an infant. If the roles had been reversed, say the father committed the murder, would whoot wonder where the mother was? There is no bigger picture in instances like these.
Did you read that, Two Side, Whoot? Why is it so hard to stick to the facts? She murdered her child! We as a people discern between right and wrong which is why we have laws and punishments. This is called Judgement.
It doesn't matter if she had a man or not - it was Ms. Deegan who murdered her child intentionally. It was Ms. Deegan who starved that baby to death, and threw it out like trash she didn't want to be responsible for.
Like the above commentator said, "When a man (and I think men who ditch reponsibility for their children are losers) leaves a pregnant woman or turns his back on his babies, there's still the reasonable expectation the woman will find a way to take care of them."
Yes, it is resonable to expect that the mother would take care of her child even if there was no man around. This is not unresonable.
"Women get pregnant, men don't. It's biology. Is it RIGHT to make babies and not help take care of them? No way. But as long as women have the uterus and carry the baby inside them, they have more responsibility."
Nuff Said.
Deegan said she returned about two weeks later and found the baby dead, an affidavit said."
Also, if you read these articles on this case, it states that she was married! According to "Two Side of the story", he/she implies that this wouldn't happen if they had been married. Welp, she was married, folks!
Well you know what? She isn't a psychopath for LEAVING the baby, she's a psychopath for KILLING her baby. If a man killed the baby, then yes, he would be a psychopath, too.
Wow, you have difficulty processing facts, huh?
men go into burning building to save their young....
they work their fingers to the bone to support them.
if she were really "married" why didn't the man go home, find the baby, DO SOMETHING? where was the father?
the "single mother" society is a very abnormal society.
how many "sperm donors" have done this for years?
how many women have been left "forsaken and hated"?
why is it so hard to admit that modern culture has a very serious and evil problem of "sperm donors" LEAVING babies? how many men are guilty of not even taking the SIX steps of care that "sick" mother did before she left?
she is not right, that is obvious to all
but this persistent disregard for checking under the rocks to find the "father" and not holding fathers ACCOUNTABLE for happenings in their own house....is the REAL excusing that needs to be dealt with.
is shannon hale the father or is there some other lout they should be looking for?
when people want to make things so simple and just blame the woman for all this evil, it is because they do not want to deal with the MEN. they probably have a nephew out there who has left kids, or their son or husband or someone....they do not want to DEAL with THAT....so they go ballistic on a woman.
the man left 1 baby, 3 girls AND the mother. that's 5 counts.
The man killed no one.
Wow, where are you coming from?!
And everything that ONE person has said, it so off topic. This is about Dana Deegan and what Dana Deegan as ADMITTEDLY done. Not about whether she was poor, uneducated, without a man, etc.. it's about the fact she KILLED her infant child.
I wonder why there isn't more outrage over the death of this child and more outrage over the fact that the man, whoever he might have been, wasn't there? Why is everyone so focused on the man who wasn't there? The man who DID NOT physically kill his child? I am sorry, but a man leaving a woman, divorcing a woman, stepping out on a woman, whichever way you want to spin it, IS NOT the SAME as a human being killing another human being.
One is murder.
The other is not.
Fool.
can ya stick to the topic? deegan is a monster. she killed her baby.
why oh why do you condone murder? and make excuses for murder? murder is wrong! or don't you know that? if you dont, im scared of you!
I agree. STAY ON TOPIC!!!!!!!!!!! and knock off the bible thumpin.
This baby had a name.
wouldn't it be fair to have the father in the same court to answer to leaving his baby alone? and the baby died.
car trouble. the car has a flat tire. its name is Mother.
(but make sure you don't bring up the fact that the car has another flat tire also. its name is Father. shhhh! we're gonna blame this entire wreck on Mother.)
you might like to just look at the tip of the topic,
others might like to look way down into the ocean like an iceberg.
They fight a war on "other partners marriages" a bond and Love and commitment to "other" people God made that are not like them. They think if they condone that Love, people who are straight will turn Gay. (this will not happen, I don't think) But they will condone divorce. Because their followers get divorces because of frivolous selfish reasons. Because they do not realize marriage is for the children. Not for the adults happiness. So they fight the wrong battles. They fight Love.
Thanks be to ALL THE GODS And GODDESSES!!!!
(that's for you whoot)
Nope. She's on the dockets to answer for MURDER@! Not neglect, or abandonment! MURDER!
She is a murderer. Pretty hard to grasp, eh? You must like them murdering mothers.. wow.
Can you show me? I don't think I had even posted other than to correct your simpleton self.
1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
i just thought you ought to be reminded that according to other beliefs, your god didn't create other's gods. their god did. just like you think your god created everything. some people simply belive in science. evolution.
i just wanted to remind you that your little religious beliefs, though fine and dandy for you, aren't what every one else in the world believes. so maybe you ought to keep it, like that tribal member said, on a very low key.
by the way, one thing i've always dislike about christianity and it's followers is that so many of them want to force their beliefs down other peoples throats. imagine how many wars, deaths, etc. would have been avoided if it weren't for those crazy christians!
Typical. Can't come up with your own words, so you just copy and paste someone else's. Well, at least it's more readable compared to the hogwash that you post when you are thinking for yourself, I suppose.