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Feb 15 2008 12:00AM
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Too damn many, unfortunately. People would rather live in a dream-world run by "feel-good" rules than actually be secure.
That truly is the only solution...
Unbelievable, the liberal democrats efforts to ban ALL guns just about everywhere, shows how ignorant they are and how this could have been even worse if the guy hadn't killed himself.
Also proves, that people kill people, not guns kill people.
Even nuts bent on killing themselves and others hold self-preservation in high regard.
Even nuts bent on killing themselves and others hold self-preservation in high regard.
Unbelievable, the liberal democrats efforts to ban ALL guns just about everywhere, shows how ignorant they are and how this could have been even worse if the guy hadn't killed himself.
Also proves, that people kill people, not guns kill people.
We need to relax gun laws. I am licensed to carry but not in a school. A law officer cannot go to another state with his gun. A law officer upstate New York cannot go to New York city with his gun.
That is how insane gun laws are.
The first question to be answered by the authorities is "Why didn't the people in the gun free zone defend themselves?"
The next question to be answered is "What actions will the authorities take to protect people in a gun free zone?"
The most important question to be answered is "What actions will the people take to protect themselves in a gun free zone?"
The Bible states "the meek shall inherit the earth ...", it does not say anything about the meek being slaughtered.
Dan
Well written! I heartily agree!
Why do people rob banks?
When the blonde former cop shot the shooter in the church the media was quick to say she "only wounded him-that he actually killed himself" thereby trying to diminish her effectiveness with her privately owned firearm.
Obama has even signaled what is to come in his administration by saying he will do "whatever is necessary" to curb gun violence.(Read that-brace yourself for a wave of ineffective, feel good anti gun legislation-)
Gun free zones are innefective symbols of naive, wishful thinking. Every anti gunner politician should be required to post a sign on his or her residence identifying it as a "gun free zone". Don't hold your breath till you see that one........
No guns are allowed so it is impossible for a shooting to take place there.
Teachers that are competent in firearms as well as students who test for capability should be allowed to carry concealed in order to prevent this sort of tragic event.
Wake UP Folks!
Dave
Criminals will get guns legally or illegally. Stop preventing law abiding citizens from protecting themselves. Police can't be everywhere, and we shouldn't rely on them to protect us. People need to take responsibility for there own safty.
You understand that all the schools around me have signs prohibiting guns and this makes them safe. A sign with words should be enough to stop this – shouldn’t they?
Besides, Illinois has some of the toughest laws against guns – these laws should be enough to stem all of the violence – shouldn’t they?
Why do the idiots in government give these criminals a place they know they are safe to commit these crimes? Why do we freely give away our right to self defense on the naive belief government will protect us?
I don’t need hope, I need government to get out of the way.
I have no problem with gun free zones but the real problem here is leftist naivety (stupity?): Buy simply declaring something the right thing will just happen. Gun free zone? Sure, guns will just evaporate within the declared area. Please, get real. Reality is that there has to be some means of keeping the declaration and then (in the case of gun free zones) protecting the inhabitants by enforcing the declaration.
With something as serious as people’s lives, you’d think that the left would take things like “gun free zones” and keeping them that way a little more seriously.
There are lots of students and teachers in every university, ex military, retired military and police, sportsmen, who are competent and responisble to carry a gun. Just the knowledge that "This University" is a right to carry zone, would prevent this kind of horrific event from occuring.
Keep America Free,
You are a menace to society - another brain-dead idiot with blood all over you. We all thank you for getting more guns into the hands of more people.
Cowards don't want a fair fight (Even "crazy" cowards.)
If an adult goes to the trouble and training to have a concealed carry permit. Let "the law" allow them carry a firearm and end some of these bulk assassinations in "gun free zones".
That is not to take anything away from the police. They do a thankless job as well as humanly possible. It's just that they cannot be everywhere and connot respond faster than a mad man can attack.
Chuck
How many more times are we going to have to see this carnage before we wake up? And, when will we realize that drugs really are bad as this tragic case once again proves?
Gun control is my finger not being on the trigger but having it ready to be there if needed. I feel so bad for those suffering today because of the stupid laws in our nation. Bad people don't care what the laws of the land are and never will. Only the good people obey them and pay the price for doing so.
My heart goes out to the families of the victims.
When you need help in seconds the police can be there in only a few minutes!
Even entire nations with gun bans (reference England) have seen an upswing of gun related crimes. The criminals will find a way to get a firearm.
So, being the election season, I ask you to take a moment and select one of the following two choices:
would you rather be
A: concealed carry owner
B: victim
your choice.
Article II of the "Bill of Rights"
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence. From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispenable. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil..."
George Washington
"The governments of Europe are afraid to trust the people with arms. If they did, the people would surely shake off the yoke of tyranny, as America did. Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion..." -James Madison, Principal author if the United States Constitution
I don't own a gun myself and fear them terribly. But I wish to God someone had them in that crowd. So do the families of the lost.
Too bad all the anti-gun whackos don't see it that way. "If only we make guns illegal..." Uh, last I checked, opening fire on a bunch of innocent unarmed students in a lecture hall and killing several was already illegal!!!
If we oultaw guns then only outlaws will have guns.
Whenever there is a gun-free zone, the person who is going to commit mayhem will almost always be the only one to violate the rule. That cell phone of yours will not be of any use once a wacko starts shooting, except as a means to tell the police where to find the bodies.
"We are going to take things from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton
"...to disarm the people (is) the best and most effective way to enslave them..."
George Mason
Of course, that is not what gun banners mean when they call for "common sense" regulation.
Less than a mile from my house Colin Furgeson killed a number of people on a Long Island Railroad train. New York, and especially Nassau County, make it almost impossible to get a carry permit.
THink about it.
WMD don't kill people, people do. Therefore we should all have WMDs?
WMD don't kill people, people do. Therefore we should all have WMDs?
Look, I agree that there should be changes, but this shooter (and the Virginia Tech shooter) was apparently mentally unstable and, ultimately shot himself! Why do you think a mentally unstable guy who ultimately commits suicide will be deterred by the "rational" thought of others on campus carrying a gun?
Where I work, a former employee recently was fired for unstable behavior, and a lot of us fear his 'going postal.' Of course, this is a corporate white-head-lawyer mandated gunfree zone. So I have had to be very careful in my choice of carry weapons, concealability being the #1 consideration. A pre-1968 Baby Browning .25 auto fits nicely in my back pocket, with a spare magazine. It's better than pointing a finger and going 'bang.'
Sort of like D.C. has no guns either.
Let this be a lesson to the dummy's who keep pushing for more laws against inanimate objects.
In the end, whoever wants VICTIM DISARMAMENT, another word for GUN CONTROL, let them not own or carry a firearm. Why should I be forced to be a victim because of THEIR DESIRES? The short answer: I should not. Only they should be.
So, following the prevailing logic, why don't we declare a liar-free zone in congress. Will that, then stop all the liars?
"Or like last week some bad guys tried to rob a grocery store, a customer had a gun and license, and stopped the robbery. The police caught two of the bad guys, and took the third one to the morgue."
Way to applaud killing people, a better way would be, the grocery store gets robbed, the store is out a couple hundred bucks and no one gets hurt.
Turning the country into the wild west is not the answer
"Or like last week some bad guys tried to rob a grocery store, a customer had a gun and license, and stopped the robbery. The police caught two of the bad guys, and took the third one to the morgue."
Way to applaud killing people, a better way would be, the grocery store gets robbed, the store is out a couple hundred bucks and no one gets hurt.
Turning the country into the wild west is not the answer
If drugs can be smuggled into the country by the TON, do not think for a second that every criminal that wants a weapon will not get one.... and you can defend yourself with a spork! No thank you. England is talking about illegalizing freeking butcher knives because they are being utilized as deadly weapons... where does that stop? Is this insane to you?
Really, for you "disarm the public" idiots.. or naive, has to be one or the other... get some common sense. If we had a 100% gun ban in the US, every criminal or psycho with enough money will have access to weapons.. JUST LIKE DRUGS TODAY and we won't. Home invasions, armed robberies, violent crime in general would go through the roof. You couldn't stop the importation of firearms JUST LIKE DRUGS TODAY!
Does this open your eyes at all or are you anti-gun nuts really that naive? Plus, It is our right to defend ourselves and our family.
Who would have had a gun out in a classroom? Who wants to teach students with guns. I have taught in college. I would not want the responsibility to protect my students with guns. Is that the next thing? We need CPR and Gun training? This is ludicrous. An insane man wanted to kill people. That is the bottom line. It didn't matter. Allowing students to carry guns would not have solved this. Do you want an armed guard in every classroom?
The world will never be entirely safe, but having students with concealed guns. As a college employee, this is an absolutely STUPID idea. Get a job at a campus and you will quickly see why.
They stated that while they know it was security personnel's requirment to respond to the scene, an ACLU spokesman said that doesn't necessarily mean that they are allowed to have a gun. They have already sought a congressional investigation into this matter to assure gun free zones remain as that.
i'd also hold a conceled carry permit just to bolster my defense at the trial!
I'd rather be alive and charged with carrying a gun in a gun free zone than dead and legal!
God Bless Drudge for linking to this post "Another Massacre in a Gun Free Zone."
But you're absolutely stupid or a right wing knuckle-dragger if you think lifting gun bans will stop this sort of thing. I have no problem lifting the ban, but the chances of the right person being in the right place at the right time are infinitessimally small. Very few people are so into guns that they'll carry them at all times.
before he killed someone, as it turned out he had been wanted for murder in a previous robbery. i credit that customer with saving five people that day including me.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. You'd let this guy stand and reload and shoot all day until he killed himself just to keep "other guns" from the scene. Pathetic and illogical liberal rant.
Another gun would have killed him before he had time to finish the first magazine, thus, saving at least some of those young lifes there.
Gawddd!!!!
Even if guns were allowed in these "zones" by trained and licensed individuals, the chances that there will just happen to be one in the vicinity is small. Albeit a small chance is better than no chance, it's not enough to justify the potential problems that can arrise when lethal weapons are introduced into communities that occasionally display less-than-mature behavior.
There will always be valid arguments for and against gun control, but whatever laws are passed, there will always be crazy people out there who snap and kill indescriminately. Let's focus on fixing the people who use the guns. The article mentioned that he was off his meds. Why? Why was he allowed a gun when he had a mental condition severe enough to require meds? ...Or maybe he stole it from one of those trained and licensed guys.
Do you mean to tell me that not one of you sheep believes that this tragedy would not have been different had we allowed guns on campuses? Are you just hoping against hope that someone in each and every classroom happens to have a gun? If that is your rational for preventing crimes, I'm not sure you have a very good grasp on reality.
I believe you have allowed your hate and obsession with being "right" to cloud your judgement. Maybe you should get to church or something.
The socialist/liberal/progressive view is to conduct more sensitivity training, more candle lit ceremonies and post more "Gun Free Zone" signs.
As for the posters who don't approve of trained and qualified people being armed in such places, what do you propose when the killer opens fire? A group hug?
The blame lies squarely with your neighbors, family members, friends and co-workers who hate guns in the hands of the American People.
To such people I usually say: If guns were so evil and ineffective for self-defense, they why do police officers carry them?
Look just look what one far right gun totting nut case did .. and these morons want to pass out guns to all the students !
The facts are this ..the deaths are terrbile as they are ..extremely uncommon.. but introudce the NRAs proposal of allowing all students to guns into the classes and you'll see kids shooting each other every other day ..
Who do you think is fighting to protect you from this kind of evil in Iraq and Afganistan, most military personel are between the age of 18-24 and are trained on modern small arms and explosives.
students should be given the right to decide if they wish to protect themselves
Your logic
"It is naive to think that an insane person would not go to a mall, school or any other high traffic area simply because a few other people may be carrying a gun"
misses the issue. The intent here is not to scare the insane into not committing the violence. It would be nice if that WERE the case.
We all know that there will always be insane people with a death wish to hurt others then kill themselves. The intent is to have the tools with which to stop them when they do, and take them down so they can't take out multiple victims.
No its fighting crazy people with law-abiding people ABLE to defend themselves.
I believe school faculty should be able to carry. Unfortunately in the "wild" college atmosphere guns would not be a good thing for students. Alcohol, juvenile fights, storage issues, and liberal roommates with no firearm training would be a disaster waiting to happen
This is just another example. It actually makes the place less-safe in an instance like this, but it sounds and feels-good. "Awww, this is a gun-free zone. I FEEL better already."
That's liberalism in a nutshell. On about every issue.
Another great example was the welfare system, especially before the Clinton/Repub. reformation of it.
We can't force people to work, don't reduce benefits... we need to give them MORE money.
That sounds and feels good (We Democrats really care about them!). What did it do? Kept people poor and trapped.
When the system was reformed, we saw the largest percentage of African Americans move from poverty to the middle classes in the history of the US, in the period of three years after passage.
All the while, liberal Demos like Maxine Waters was screaming (and I quote), "If this passes, our children will starve." Sorry, Maxine, it helped them get out of poverty.
I still think Democrats want to keep people poor. Who votes Democratic more often? Poor people. Who needs their votes? Democrats. Who need to keep them poor to get re-elected? Yep... think about it.
Again, feel-good policies that do harm.
BAN violent videogames.
I have a CWP and carry 24/7. The ONLY way to stop a killer like this is to shoot back.
This is just another example. It actually makes the place less-safe in an instance like this, but it sounds and feels-good. "Awww, this is a gun-free zone. I FEEL better already."
That's liberalism in a nutshell. On about every issue.
Another great example was the welfare system, especially before the Clinton/Repub. reformation of it.
We can't force people to work, don't reduce benefits... we need to give them MORE money.
That sounds and feels good (We Democrats really care about them!). What did it do? Kept people poor and trapped.
When the system was reformed, we saw the largest percentage of African Americans move from poverty to the middle classes in the history of the US, in the period of three years after passage.
All the while, liberal Demos like Maxine Waters was screaming (and I quote), "If this passes, our children will starve." Sorry, Maxine, it helped them get out of poverty.
I still think Democrats want to keep people poor. Who votes Democratic more often? Poor people. Who needs their votes? Democrats. Who need to keep them poor to get re-elected? Yep... think about it.
Again, feel-good policies that do harm.
Now we get to see the socialist try to explain why "we the people" are a greater threat to ourselves when armed then when only the government and criminals have the arms. Nice try.. It is really time for America to get a good taste of European Socialism.. Lets elect Obama and keep Momma Pelosi and Daddy Reid in power. Bring us back to the days of Carter once again Merle.. America has forgotten and it is time that she Remember once again.
The only thing that makes this discussion tolerable is that everytime you people say the word gun, I know you really mean "p3ni$." Yes, don't let the "evil liberals" steal that.
In both those cases, and now at NIU, authorities didn't secure the crime scene until after the shooters had offed themselves.
It needs to be challenged!
Robert A. Heinlein thought this was a good idea in 1942. It is a far better one in 2008. The people that died at Northern Illinois U. yesterday and at Virginia Tech in 2007 could have been saved by one legally armed citizen. The ultra-liberal academic community has maintained their foolish notions about firearms at the expense of the students lives. Enough is enough.
They's have to admit they were wrong... it would never happen
Don't the police carry guns? Do you want them to go without?
Why did the guy kill himself? Because the police (with guns) were coming and he knew they'd kill him. He didn't want them to have that win. If the police only carried batons, he would have reloaded and taken out some cops.
he went to the school BECAUSE there are no guns there.
Wake up and smell the drying blood of our sons and daughters. People like you disarm innocent people and make them helpless.
Also, your comment about "us" letting people like him get a gun is outrageous. It was likely to be stolen.
If someone steals your car and runs over someone, killing them, I will not blame you for LETTING that bad guy get behind the wheel of a dangerous car. That's basically what you are saying.
Another feel-good liberal. It doesn't feel-good to know that all these scary conservative people might have guns. Sorry Phil, we don't hate you, we just think you are misguided. We won't shoot you, just the guy like this one and hopefully, we'll not only save your kids life, maybe yours too.
No thanks are necessary. We'd never expect it anyway.
If someone in the room had a concealed weapon, and shot him, many of the dead and wounded would still be around.
You anti gun sheep really make me wonder. Someone else made the comment, "where were the men? why didn't they rush him?" Again, you are sheep.
Don't the police carry guns? Do you want them to go without?
Why did the guy kill himself? Because the police (with guns) were coming and he knew they'd kill him. He didn't want them to have that win. If the police only carried batons, he would have reloaded and taken out some cops.
he went to the school BECAUSE there are no guns there.
Wake up and smell the drying blood of our sons and daughters. People like you disarm innocent people and make them helpless.
Also, your comment about "us" letting people like him get a gun is outrageous. It was likely to be stolen.
If someone steals your car and runs over someone, killing them, I will not blame you for LETTING that bad guy get behind the wheel of a dangerous car. That's basically what you are saying.
Another feel-good liberal. It doesn't feel-good to know that all these scary conservative people might have guns. Sorry Phil, we don't hate you, we just think you are misguided. We won't shoot you, just the guy like this one and hopefully, we'll not only save your kids life, maybe yours too.
No thanks are necessary. We'd never expect it anyway.
Awesome. Just awesome.
I figure if you stopped this fool, some liberal DA would take you to court for wrongful death, etc... You might lose there, but you'd be a hero to the country.
To the sheeple that fail to see the reasoning of protecting yourself and depeding on the sheepdog to save you, keep grazing. I'm sure the wolves will leave you alone.
I'm not all that fast Paul, but from a concealed position (standing) I can draw and fire twice, accurately, in about 1.5 seconds.
There are way faster people out there. Point is, not that he would not have been able to fire, just that he would not have continued firing for long, little less been able to reload.
Note: the coward crazies only seem to attack where they are unlikely to encounter any resistance because arms are prohibited to all law-abiding citizens who are apparently not accorded the 2nd Amendment protections. The shooters may be crazy, but they're not stupid. If they knew, or even suspected that several of the students were armed, they would never attempt the attack. What about this is so hard to understand? Second amendment right shall not be abridged, and if we continue to ignore this, we can expect ever more of this type incident.
The people who think that disarming everyone stops violence still want police to be armed. That's illogical.
You have a right to not own a gun, to depend on the police or to cower and await execution. I am pro-choice on this issue. But I demand the right to choose another way. I will even honor your choice and not defend YOU with my gun. Feel safer now?
Therefore: More guns= More crimes prevented..GOT IT?
Your ignorance amazes me. Next time you see a mass-murder coming after people with a gun, go ahead and use your ax. I am sure he'll drop it right there.
The answer is NOT more guns. The problem is that theives and crooks steal things. Like guns. Heck, a police car at my local station was stolen with several high powered guns and a shotgun.
Yes, get as many guns off the "street" that you can. The problem is that there are some there and always will be. Guns are illegal in the UK, yet there still are some there. DUH!
When you make a 'gun-free' zone, the only people with guns are the criminals that are there to hurt people.
It's not "more guns", it's the possibility that there might have been a teacher or a former cop, or a trained student with access to a gun that could've shot this guy down, saving lives. That's what it's about.
And I am sorry about your lack os p3n!s size. You were the one that brought it up, no? We're here discussing saving people's lives, and your ignorant rant about member-size comes up. Again, a liberal with no ideas, knows these policies make people less safe, but wants to "feel good". Awwww.... a gun free zone! Gee, why is that guy shooting people here? Didn't he see the sign? (HINT: He's shooting people there because they are easy targets!)
Like another poster mentioned, how often do you see criminals hold up or shoot people at a gun range? A police station? An army base? They don't... they go to your local college with the "Gun Free Zone" signs. Fish in a barrel.
Your ignorance amazes me. Next time you see a mass-murder coming after people with a gun, go ahead and use your ax. I am sure he'll drop it right there.
The answer is NOT more guns. The problem is that theives and crooks steal things. Like guns. Heck, a police car at my local station was stolen with several high powered guns and a shotgun.
Yes, get as many guns off the "street" that you can. The problem is that there are some there and always will be. Guns are illegal in the UK, yet there still are some there. DUH!
When you make a 'gun-free' zone, the only people with guns are the criminals that are there to hurt people.
It's not "more guns", it's the possibility that there might have been a teacher or a former cop, or a trained student with access to a gun that could've shot this guy down, saving lives. That's what it's about.
And I am sorry about your lack os p3n!s size. You were the one that brought it up, no? We're here discussing saving people's lives, and your ignorant rant about member-size comes up. Again, a liberal with no ideas, knows these policies make people less safe, but wants to "feel good". Awwww.... a gun free zone! Gee, why is that guy shooting people here? Didn't he see the sign? (HINT: He's shooting people there because they are easy targets!)
Like another poster mentioned, how often do you see criminals hold up or shoot people at a gun range? A police station? An army base? They don't... they go to your local college with the "Gun Free Zone" signs. Fish in a barrel.
How many mass shootings occurred on campuses in the rest of the world last year?
The first rule of gun fighting is to have a gun. A spear, an axe, a club or your penis will be largely ineffective against pretty much any firearm. I'm fairly certain that it will be difficult for you to steal a penis, but I suspect that among your liberal associates you should be able to find someone to allow you to use theirs.