Posted by Stan The Man on Mar 22 2007 7:30PM - I guess the game and fish should release some more mountain lions.

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Posted by Anonymous on Mar 22 2007 8:20PM - Was the kill partially buried? Thats usually a strong indicator that it was a mountain lion attack, that and I may be wrong, but aren't there horses in that area too? Im suprised that no horses, especially the ones about to foal, have been taken by mountain lions yet. I'm just saying since it was a pack of dogs that attacked that horse over around Fargo/Grand Forks.

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Posted by allen on Mar 23 2007 9:37AM - There's a BIG difference between this being the first livestock killed by a mountain lion in a long time and this being the first "documented" killing of a livestock by a mountain lion in a long time.

Historically the govt agencies have required very conclusive evidence to "document" a lion or wolf kill. Much easier to just call it scavenging or a coyote kill.

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Posted by dwilson on Mar 25 2007 10:45PM - Hey now leave the nice kitties alone. Maybe they need to raise faster cows, or just maybe they need to get off the couch and go check thier animals!!

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Posted by MadManMe on Mar 26 2007 6:42PM - Maybe the ALIENS came down and did a probe of the cow and killed it when the anal probe went berserk!!!

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Posted by informed on Mar 27 2007 9:08PM - Ok, 1 cow! In the grand scheme of things, is this really a big deal? The farmer probably has insurance anyway! Leave the cat alone, it needs to eat too!

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Posted by Anonymous on Mar 27 2007 9:14PM - There has been recent concerns that the game and fish have been releasing the cats in areas with larger deer populations. In my home town I believe this because in the 23 years I have been there, I have never seen one or any signs of any. Leave it up to the game and fish to sneak around.

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Posted by informed on Mar 27 2007 9:36PM - Survival of the fittest......cows are slow! I find it is pretty sad that a few Mountain Lions venture down from Canada for food and they have helicopters hunting them down! Ten years ago there were wolves here too, anyone seen one lately? I'm not a tree hugger, just would like my 5 year old son to maybe see what these things look like in real life and not have to see them in a book.

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Posted by Duh on Mar 27 2007 10:07PM - Game and Fish planting lions, wow. I suppose you believe that the Government has put a chip in your head so they can watch you via sattelite too!! I heard that if I post on this forum Bill Gates will give me $1000!!!

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Posted by You are all crazy on Mar 27 2007 10:10PM - This time it's a cow, next time a kid? You want your 5 year old son to see one in the wild....People, wise up, these aren't domesticated nice kittens these are wild animals that stalk and kill, people are slow like cows, just make sure you are faster than the guy next to you so you have a better chance of getting away!

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Posted by MadManMe on Mar 27 2007 11:15PM - Chip? In my head? Watching me??? Satellites???? OMG I have chips in the house and a satellite. Maybe that is how they know where I work and how much I make!!

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Posted by waytooclose on Mar 28 2007 11:15AM - I can't believe some of your imature comments. This is obviously a very serious event that happened. How would you feel if something or someone came and destroyed your property? This poor farmer can't be with his animals 24 hours a day. It is certainly NOT his fault. If the mountain lion attacked a cow why wouldn't it attack a human? The mountain lion does need to be captured to protect EVERYONE and EVERYONE'S property!!!

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Posted by anonymous on Mar 28 2007 3:00PM - maybe the game and fish should do something about these mountain lions rather than protecting them all the time, what is it going to take, a person to die? the game and fish are idiots

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Posted by MadManMe on Mar 28 2007 5:04PM - Maybe it is man's fault for invading the mountain lions natural habitat? Maybe those who think the mountain lions should be removed should pack up and move somewhere that mother nature did not put predators originally?

We have let the liberals tell us that we need to restore that animals that were here, so this is a result. This sort of thing will continue to happen so long as you let liberals run the government and form policies.

What would I do? Well if I lost an animal to a lion I would find the lion and do what I felt was needed.

Until then, live with the animals or leave the area.

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Posted by Informed on Mar 28 2007 6:01PM - To you are all crazy-Where would YOU like the mountain lion to live?? Mountain Lion attacks on humans are VERY rare, especailly in a place as unpopulated as North Dakota. Most Mountain Lion attacks occur in places such as California, where humans have taken over every possible square inch of this animals habitat. I am sure with all of the cows, deer, horses,....a mountain lion will not be attacking my son. Do you think they should kill all the sharks in the ocean if YOU decide to go snorkeling, or all the bears if YOU decide to go hiking? Way to think outside the box! My son and I will take our chances here in ND with the 10 or so mountain lions roaming the whole state.
waytoocloseIt was one cow....how many hamburgers have you eaten in the last month? I'm sure the farmer has insurance.
Anonymousway to get irrational and paranoid! Maybe, just maybe, your the idiot?
It was reported that this is the first attack on a domestic animal in YEARS,but let's all go get our torches and pitch forks and hunt down this wicked creature.....give me a break!

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Posted by Duh on Mar 28 2007 9:43PM - Do you know how many states have mountain lions?! Geesh, I haven't heard of mass killings of people thoughout the U.S. Maybe I missed that on the 6 o'clock news. Cats will not attack people unless cornered and if you cornered a cat you deserve what you get! Do you know how many people live in N.D. with rattlesnakes? YIKES!

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Posted by informed on Mar 28 2007 9:46PM - duh- that's FUNNY! I can't believe how much people love to over react and blow things WAY out of proportion! I guess it's living in ND with NOTHING to do!

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Posted by Huh? on Mar 28 2007 10:59PM - To informed......

Just one cow huh? Nothing major? Well what if you owned a business that was your livlihood, such as a car or boat dealership? If you, for some reason, lost just ONE of them wouldn't you be upset too?

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Posted by MadManMe on Mar 29 2007 2:39AM - Well there would be insurance for a car or boat dealer. So if you have 100 cows and lose one that is one percent of your income. If a city person hadd a lion steal 1% of their income what would they say?

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Posted by informed on Mar 29 2007 10:11AM - I'm not sure what they would say, probably "that sucks". But you are talking about 1 cow. Not 1 cow a day, or 1 cow a month or even 1 cow a year. Farmers and ranchers have insurance also, and will probably get more from the cow than if they sold it. What if that 1 cow had been struck by lightening or hit by a car? Same 1% of their income? Stuff happens, get a grip.

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Posted by MadManMe on Mar 29 2007 12:00PM - Exactly informered, how many cattle get on the roads and get hit by cars each year? If the farmer has 300 head of cattle 1 cow would only be 1/3rd of 1 percent. That does not seem like much in the big picture.

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Posted by informed on Mar 29 2007 12:14PM - madmanme what point are you argueing? This started out re the one cow being "supposedly" killed by the mountain lion. I'm not a farmer, a mountain lion advocate, or an irrational psycho, just someone trying to put in a little perspective.

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Posted by informed on Mar 29 2007 12:19PM - madmanme what point are you argueing? This started out re the one cow being "supposedly" killed by the mountain lion. I'm not a farmer, a mountain lion advocate, or an irrational psycho, just someone trying to put in a little perspective.

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Posted by MadManMe on Mar 29 2007 1:31PM - Informed I am not arguing I am agreeing with you. I was also putting perspective into the conversation.

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Posted by informed on Mar 29 2007 6:32PM - touche MadManMe...sometimes these forums go off on tangents and I forget what the original topic was! LOL

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Posted by Duh on Mar 29 2007 9:53PM - I am not saying that it is not a lousy deal on the part of the rancher. I am just saying that S%#$ happens and you move on. I mean if we all go on this witch hunt or in this case cat hunt who is going to sell me gas, groceries, etc? C'mon big deal, we are not being "overun" by these cats.

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Posted by Stan The Man on Mar 29 2007 10:44PM - So i suppose if a rapist just rapes one lady we should let him go? I mean really whats one lady in the grand scheme of things? Would we just say sh*t happens and move on?

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Posted by MadManMe on Mar 30 2007 2:53AM - Stan there is a difference between cats and humans. We live by laws animals live by the laws of nature. Comparing a wild animal to a human being is like comparing intelligence to politicians, the two have nothing in common.

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Posted by Farmer on Mar 30 2007 11:54AM - You all say that it is just one cow we have insurance its not as easy as that premiums go up peopls livelyhoods relly on these animals someone eats our cows we dont eat! I have only thirty cows that would be 10 percent of my heard what if that was the case because realistically most ND ranchers have 50 or less cows thats a big impact. The cats are doing what they now I do not blame their insitincts but if mad cow would kill one of my cows you would care more. Am I right because it would be a threat to you personally so is a mountain lion if they are allowed to overopulate just like wolves in minnesota they are a problem and we have to cntrol it before we do have a problem of our own.

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Posted by What is wrong with you people on Mar 30 2007 11:59AM - I have grown up in western MT where Mountain Lions are quite common and I did alot of hunting in the mountains where they lived and some of you people who say that a lion won't bother people unless they are cornered evidently have never been stalked by one while they are hiking around in the woods, well I have. A cat will stalk and kill and person if they think that they can overpower them granted if you stand up to them and yell and make noise they will more than likely run away but do you think that a small child is going to stand up and yell at them? If you do you are sadly mistaken and when they turn and run from them they are going to attack them. I do belive that the big cats have a right to be around here if they are in the right areas but I am sorry when they are sighted that close to a small town like White Earth where small children are playing outside that is just a little too closed for my comfort. As far as for the cow that is a huge loss for that rancher insurance or not but it could be much worse and I just hope that it doesn't take it being much worse to get the Fish and Game's attention.

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Posted by MadManMe on Mar 30 2007 1:21PM - Farmer check with your accountant, 1 cow out of 30 is 3.33% not 10%. I live near many farmers, I know of zero that have less than 100 cows. I think they call less than 50 head a hobby farm.

You were hiking in the woods and a cat stalked you? If you were hiking in my yard I would be stalking you too.

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Posted by IMO on Mar 30 2007 1:54PM - Its one cow!! its ok everyone.

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Posted by Huh? on Mar 30 2007 9:29PM - Oh but if it were a dog or cat everyone would be wound up and demand the lion be hunted down and destroyed. But since it's a cow everyone feels "oh well it's just one cow". So I guess someday when I read about someone's pet getting killed by a wild animal I will just think to myself "OH it's just one dog or cat"

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Posted by informed on Mar 30 2007 10:25PM - To What is wrong with you people....you live in White Earth, you have a bigger problem than one Mountain Lionworry about your family twig. "The Hills Have Eyes"...
Farmer- You only have 50 cows, obviously they are not your only source of income, unless you live in White Earth too
Stan the Man...your arguement is idiotic...
Huh...I know of MANY pets that have been taken by coyotes, thats life.
IMO...I'm in total agreement, big whoopty friggin doo, its one cow in NORTH DAKOTA.
Madmanme..Are you wondering yet why you bother argueing? I'll tell you, someday maybe one person will listen and possibly pull their head out.I'm surprised Shoppegirl has no input.

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Posted by MadManMe on Mar 30 2007 10:53PM - I do not argue, I try to enlighten...lol. I only voice my opinion and try to see where others opinions lead. Maybe someone will voice an opinion that changes my way of thinking.

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Posted by Huh? on Mar 30 2007 11:27PM - A male's way of thinking can be changed?

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Posted by MadManMe on Mar 30 2007 11:43PM - Yes. I used to think that government programs were good. Now I know that nothing good can come from government programs

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Posted by Get your facts straight on Mar 31 2007 9:39AM - As a cattle rancher myself, ranchers are not able to get insurance on their livestock unless it is for lightning....One cow is valued $1200.....Then if she was pregnant there is another 500-600 dollars lost....I don't know many of you that can just lose almost 2,000 dollars and say oh well....Ranching is our business not a hobby...

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Posted by Farmer on Mar 31 2007 9:49AM - Ask the ranchers in Minnesotta if its ok to let this continue to happen I am good friends with a rancher in minnesota and they were always told its justa couple wolves leave them a lone now its a geniune problem because there are too many wolves. If one of my cows gets sick and dies am I not allowed to protect the rest of them by giving vacinations to save their lives. If there is a mountain lion ever on my property and endangering me or my livelyhood I will shoot it. If i see it passing through and its not near anything yeah I will leave it a lone. Its common sense but I do now it needs to be regulated if this becomes a more common frequency.

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Posted by informed on Mar 31 2007 10:20AM - Farmer.. Noone said you shouldn't shoot if it is slaughtering your whole herd of cows, that's common sense. One cow could be a fluke. Just saying people need to chill and not over react!

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Posted by Stan The Man on Mar 31 2007 2:16PM - This maybe hard for people to understand, especially some city folk, and those who are saying "its just one cow so get over it". Most ranchers (and farmers) have a thing called PRIDE. We take PRIDE in our cattle. (and operations) Wether we lose cows/calves to lightning, disease, death at birth, old age, or in this case a Mountain lion it hurts. See to us a cow is more than some number. Sometimes its not about Money its about pride. Some baby calf i watched being born, watched grow up, fed grain to, fixed fence for, checked numerous times at 3 in the morning, cut hay for, hauled hay for, gave shots to, watched give birth when grown, sure as F*ck isnt going to be killed buy some damn Mountain lion while i stand idly buy. Sure it might be just 1 to some folk but i take pride in what i have!

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Posted by informed on Mar 31 2007 2:50PM - Stantheman....you forgot: sold to butcher to make steaks and burgers. Give me a break sissy boy. You really need to find a new line of work, maybe you should be a veteranarian instead of a rancher if you are that sensitive. Don't you raise cows for eating?? Lesson 1...the circle of life.

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Posted by Stan The Man on Mar 31 2007 6:44PM - OOOOHHHHH Sissy boy good one! I havent been called that since 3rd grade!

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Posted by Farmer on Mar 31 2007 7:26PM - Here is the deal Farmer has enough variables we can not control such as price, weather, feed costs, fuel, in some cases disease. Why is it the one thing we might hae control over you say we shouldnt. No other country in the world eats as cheap as we do. So hey I know in every aspect of life and in every job there are things we can not control true. But dont take our right to defend our cows its just wrong.

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Posted by MadManMe on Apr 1 2007 9:52AM - Yes if a lion gets a cat or dog it is just one or two. Maybe we need to put a bounty on dogs and cats? Kill them all!!! LMAO

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Posted by Duh on Apr 1 2007 11:22PM - Protecting your livelihood is just like shooting an intruder, I say AMEN to a farmer that will drop a cat for messing with his herd. However I do not think a entire state agency should drop everything to go hunt down all the cats in ND!

Get this, I was driving tonight and I stopped for gas in Towner. There was a truck there with two guys standing around it like guards. When I asked what they had, they replied "nothing sir, just move along". So I waited until they went inside to use the bathroom and I sneaked a peak at thier cargo. Do you know what it was? It was a ND game and fish truck full of PIRANHAS!!! They are using them in lake Sakakawea to control the Walleye population because with the low water levels they are taking over! I couldn't believe it! So I am getting this warning out so you do not allow your kids to swim there! Good luck, friggin' Game and Fish!

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Posted by MadManMe on Apr 1 2007 11:54PM - Duh- Did you notice the black helicopters flying overhead watching you as you approached the truck? You are lucky they did not send in a UFO to abduct you and give you an analprobe.

Pirahnas are not a cold water fish. They are in areas like South America and will die off in cold water. If they were planting them here they would die before doing as they intended.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piranha

Now hurry up and put your tinfoil hat on before the roving eye on the back of your dollar bill sends in the evil Freemasons or whomever is this weeks group under conspiracy watch.

OK GW we got this guys ID now we can bug his house and read his email without approval from the judges. Now where did you put them robtic ****roackes for following him?

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Posted by Andrew on Apr 2 2007 2:57AM - Duh~Although I wouldn't put some lilly liver politics past the DNR as any government agency, I believe you take some very nutty fuitcake to beat, not only am I going to doubt your sincerety from now on. I am labelling you the copy cat kid, no that would be an insult to the kitties that are the subject of this thread. How bout copy rat fink kid. I wouldn't like to be one of your neighbours, with the anonymous phone calls you would be making. See a doc, and soon.

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Posted by informed on Apr 2 2007 8:03PM - I don't believe I ever said don't defend yourself or your property!! The 1 cow was already dead and NO SIGN of the culprit cat...correct?? If it comes back, shoot the damn thing. But don't get government agencies, helecopters, or inbreds with torches and over react to this ISOLATED incident. Having this forum is a wonderful thing, it gives people in this state and outlet and a little something to do.
Duh.....there is something called Lithium....take some!
Farmers...quit being so damn sensitive and paranoid. Oh, if your not making any money...FIND A NEW OCCUPATION, your obviously no good at it.

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Posted by MadManMe on Apr 2 2007 8:11PM - Now now informed that was not very compassionate :) You mean if you are not making any money at a job you should find a different one? I wonder why all the millions of farmers across the country and around the world did not think of it. Oh I know why because they do make money........

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Posted by informed on Apr 2 2007 9:02PM - Ok,maybe not so compassionate...just sick of whiners! Farmers are always complaining...it's too wet, it's too dry, too hot, too cold..these things cannot be controled or predicted, no use getting there long johns in a bunch. If it's such a bad "job" quit! I am aware that they do make money, so why all the fuss? My grand parents were farmers during the "dirty thirties" They talked about their hardships for 50 freakin years, you know walking up hill both ways to school etc....then they died with a crap load of money in the bank. Thanks Grandpa! All of my old relatives that complained their entire adult life of hardships and suffuring, died with more money then I probably wil. Why is that?l

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Posted by Duh on Apr 2 2007 9:48PM - I do not really believe piranahs are being planted in Lake Sakakawea, geesh! I was simply making light of the situation referencing the post from before of how the cats were seen on a truck in Towner. I thought you guys read ALL of these threads. Pardon me for having a sense of humor and trying to lighten the mood here!

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Posted by MadManMe on Apr 3 2007 1:34AM - Okay you got me. I thought that I had read a similar post but I read so many that I forget where I read what sometimes...LMAO.

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Posted by informed on Apr 7 2007 2:36PM - Duh...I kinda thought you fell off the deep end too! That WAS funny!! Scary that some people around here are actually like that! LOL

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Posted by Amy on Apr 8 2007 3:11PM - I'm damn sick of all this farmer bashing. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't comment. You just end up with both feet in your mouth

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Posted by informed on Apr 9 2007 6:45PM - Amy....who are you referring too, and better yet, where did you come from?

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Posted by MadManMe on Apr 9 2007 10:16PM - Farmers are dirty

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Posted by Huh? on Apr 10 2007 11:24PM - madman you should be thankful there are still farmers out there working hard to feed you.

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Posted by MadManMe on Apr 10 2007 11:53PM - An over paid farmer feeds me.

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Posted by informed on Apr 11 2007 10:34PM - MME...playing the devils advocate are we?? This discussion has officially been played out! It's like beating a dead horse..or cow as the case may be. I don't think your going to succeed at riling (? spelling) anyone else up! LOL
How do you spell that??? I am the worlds worst speller!

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Posted by a rancher on May 29 2007 1:55PM - How about you all keep you nose in your own business. All those who have grown up in the town have no idea what it is like to put in a hard days work on a farm or ranch. You don’t know what it is like after turning in for the night get your butt back out of bed at midnight and 3 a.m. to check on that one cow that might be having problems or the calves that may be freezing to death in the blizzard conditions and start all over again at 6 a.m.. These cats have always been in this area and will never leave and most are not asking that they do but the population is getting out of control. We are not asking for permission from the rest of you to control this problem we are simply warning those in the area that they are becoming a bigger threat every year. We also don’t need your permission. For the record farmers are not overpaid and it is kind of hard to play in the dirt for a living and not get dirty. and to "informed" who ever the hell you are maybe you should become a little more informed and just so you know a cow can more than likely outrun you so maybe we should stick you out there and see how long you last

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Posted by texasrancher on May 29 2007 10:46PM - there sure have been some crazy comments abount 'ONE COW'S IMPORTANCE' not too many farmers ther in ND i guess,,well here in texas we are proud of our herds no matter how big or small and i found mountain lion tracks on my ranch memorial day after it stopped raining,,and will be tracking that cat till i find it or it finds me,,i refuse to to lose any ONE COW to a cat who has plenty of deer to eat.

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Posted by deb rollett on Oct 9 2007 10:30AM - last week we found 2 baby calves, a day old that had been attacked and killed. there have been cat sightings in our area. whatever attacked them ate their whole insides out and chewed on their ribs. these 2 calves would total more then 1000.00 when the time comes to sell them. that is a great loss for us with a herd of only 30. Insurance does not cover this type of loss, only covers if a cow were to get on the highway, then it would be a liability. The conservation seems to think it couldn't be a cat attack, but probably coyotes. It is just strange that we have lived here for 10 years and never had a problem before. our location is in st. joseph, mo. But the conservation will try and tell you there aren't any cats around here. I don't believe that, because not too long ago, someone caught one on a night camera. Mark Reynolds, who was from st. joseph, was killed in california about a year ago by a mountain lion. So don't think they won't attack humans. There is a website that will give you all the kills on humans in the past 50 years. So to all you protectors of the cat, don't take is so lightly.

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