No I am not grasping at straws I am ust saying you cannot say that there were not WMD's there, just like you can't say there weren't terrorists. There just wasn't the WMD's and terrorists we were after. Reply...

I don't disagree with you on several of the points you've made. Previous policy toward N Korea could have, and should have, been more effective.
Enforcement of sanctions would certainly have helped.
But we're here , and it's now. Monday Morning quarterbacking would be fun over a few beers, but we've got a more serious problem on our hands, should N Korea manage to get Nuke technology into the hands of those (well financed) groups that would pay dearly for it.

Oh Yeah.. That verse was from the U.S. Blues, by the Grateful Dead
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I did read most of what you posted....but.....I didn't stop there..
Thus I conclude that though they classified those remanants as WMD,s
You're still grasping at straws..
As far as Who KNows is concerned,
He made an absolutely incoherent statement...but that's typical of someone like him, who'se IQ doesn't reach room temperature..
Clinton attacked Saddam over WMDs..
How irrelevant can you get little man?
Nobody denies that he had bio weapns in the 80s, and used them too..so what's your point?
Propaganda?
Cheney had an entire government department dedicated to propaganda supporting his insane desire for war...
and people like you still cling to his lies...
Google Office of Special projects..
It won't de program you...nothing can do that....but you might learn something...though I doubt it. Reply...

Well maybe you should educate yourself on CWC then. It constitutes WMD's, just not the ones we went for. Did you read the OPCW report from this year that I posted? 

 

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If you go back and re-read my statements on Iraq, I believe that we could have solved the problems by enforcing sanctions we already had in place. Still they posed no immediate danger to America proper. They did to our allies and assests however. I also think the strategy we went in with was flawed. It was only set up to take down a gov't not set one up. Which is why it prolonged because there was no immediate power exchange. If you can't find those from previous discussions you have them now. My arguements about terrorists and WMD's are meerily made because of broad generalized statements. I want to point the fallacy, and in such prove a point. I agree we could have all together skipped the war and even had run it better. Especially considering the fact we should have had our focus on Afghanistan.

North Korea is a threat, but only in the short term, like I have said. I don't believe that they will nuke us, but it does show weakness when you let them do whatever they want. You don't let you kid get away with stuff without punishment. As their bad behavior escalates so does your punishment. This is more of show of force do the transistion inside the country.

So my cup is always half full, and Rye, Happy Fourth to you too.

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Joe, Ye of little Faith...
Enjoy the week end....

Wave that flag
Wave it wide and high
Summertime done
Come and gone
My oh my


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N.Korea has had nukes for quite some time..and You've been aware of it.
We're on the case..and we have been for as long as they've had them
In fact the threat posed by N. Korea is not so much that they'd use them...a picture one gets from reading all these posts, but that they might sell them.
And that"s the reason for the sanction, and for the recent confrontation between the US and N Korea re; that ship bound for Myanamar...

Nevertheless, Sicko, after reading your take on this issue, and your take on the WMD issue, the picture you paint of the world is a whole lot more negative than reality dictates...

i.e. the ineffective biological remanents or 80s biological weapons, the imminent threat of Nukes from N. Korea...

The glass is always half empty with you Sicko....Roll yourself a fatty, pour yourself a cold one, and sit back and enjoy the holiday week end... Reply...

There was quite a stink raised when they found remanents of weapons, produced in the early 80s, containing traces of sarin and mustard gas, and got a Colonel (Chu) to say that these qualified as weapons of mass destruction, despite the fact that they were no longer effective...
but it's hard to believe that you'd base your claim that Saddam had wmds on this...
However, it's consistant with a claim made by someone who just cannot give up that claim...for reasons I've mentioned before... Reply...

A conspiracy by whom? Reply...

What you have proven is that you have no understanding of how our military works.

Peace and Semper Fidelis...

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http://smallwarsjournal.com/documents/ngicwmdreport.pdf

http://www.globalsecuritynewswire.org/gsn/nw_20090427_8248.php

"Iraq submitted its initial declaration on 12 March 2009, and has declared two bunkers with filled and unfilled chemical weapons munitions, some precursors, as well as five former chemical weapons production facilities,"

 

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So the DoD is lying? I never claimed AQ either, but there were terrorists inside Iraq, pal. Abu Ibrahim, he attacked a Pan-AM flight, his real name is Husayn al-Umari

http://www.cleveland.com/world/index.ssf/2009/04/finding_frankenstein_terrorist.html

Claiming Iraq had no terrorists pre-war is like saying, you have a million dollars simply because you say so.

I will rank you in with the rank in file 9/11 truthers then Rye, if you are sitting here telling me that the DoD is making up that they found chemical munitions.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/22/AR2006062201839.html

Which is basically a rehash of the first story which is directly from the DoD. They are covered under the Chemical Weapons Convention. While they themselves may have posed no threat to us there. They are still Chemical Weapons that are banned by the CWC. Which makes them WMD's 

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Here are several articles..debunking the WMD lie..many refer to that 03 incident you refer to...
but there's no sense trying to de program those who cling to the delusions propounded by the "Office of Special Projects", Cheney's government agency, tasked with creating a cult of obedience...
they did such a good job, that there remain several of the posters on this list. By now, they have too much of themselves tied up in these debunked propositions, and cannot cope with the reality that they're wrong.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/

CIA's final report: No WMD found in Iraq - Conflict in Iraq- msnbc.com

Lacking Biolabs, Trailers Carried Case for War
On May 29, 2003, 50 days after the fall of Baghdad, President Bush proclaimed a ... He declared, "We have found the weapons of mass destruction. ... already concluded that the trailers had nothing to do with biological weapons. ... The trailers - - along with aluminum tubes acquired by Iraq for what was claimed to ...

Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq: Bush's “big lie” and the ...
The charge that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction was selected , as Deputy ... But no trace of a biological agent was found on the trucks, ... February 8, 2003—Bush said in his weekly radio address: “We have sources that tell ...

CNN.com - Official: U.S. calls off search for Iraqi WMDs - Jan 12 ...
Jan 12, 2005 ... Despite intensive searches, no banned Iraqi weapons were found after ... The U.S. ends its search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. ... chemical and biological weapons, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Wednesday. ... 2003 - - the month of the invasion - - Saddam did not have any WMD ...

FactCheck.org: Were there really weapons of mass destruction in ...
Feb 19, 2008 ... all of its existing stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons. ... After the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the Bush administration formed the ... there were no WMDs to be found; they called off the search in 2005. . Reply...

I understand that you people MUST cling to the notion that Saddam had WMDs and that he cooperated with AQ
While neither are true, you must continue to reject that reality, because if you accept it, your entire world crumbles... Reply...